I’m a more seasoned person and no longer young but I’ve always found that men that aren’t desperate, that care less and just nonchalant are more attractive, yet these are the same individual that struggle because they dont give signals they are interested. Even if Women were initially interested they get over them because it is still a man’s job to initiate and escalate. I find the people who are ballsy, nothing to lose (think catcallers, construction workers stereotype are the one shooting their shot 24/7 and just have the rejection roll of their back, yet these one are not the ones women are NOT interested in. Then you throw in women who never looked more prettier than ever before due to available enhancement such as fillers, botox and plastic surgery that takes them from a 5 to a 9 (if you ever really look at the before and after), so its hard for men to approach due to anxiety of feeling less than, pressure to have their life together, confidence, me too movement, etc from my experience, I find that the guys who do become successful, first becomes friend with a women they like (their intention was always to get with her) and then risk the rejection and going after who they want. They are the same guys who are very manipulative by always sending invites disguised as friends like working on a homework together, going for a run, going to a retreat and then make their way “in” when she feels good about him (comfort, knowing he knows her friends, etc) submitted by /u/Wide_Permission7656
Originally posted by u/Wide_Permission7656 on r/AskMen