Dear all, I have now been seeing a lot of posts about RAV, a lot of crap also, and a lot of myths, so, as a person that actually has been to RAV 3x in my career and whose sister actually works with RAV. I am also going to say some serious important info below that you have rights for, that often nobody, not even RAV coaches will tell you, and is mostly hidden and only found under their search engines, so to make it as hard as possible for you to find, because it is something that you are entitled to, and costs them money!!! First of all, what is RAV? RAV, is an insurance company or at least, unofficially it is. I am sure, most of you are shocked at this statement, so, let me explain. RAV is not there to help you, RAV is there, to find out procedures you have not properly followed, to reduce the help that you are entitled to. This, is exactly what an insurance company is. Most people on this planet still have no idea how an insurance company works, they think, you pay them so they have your back, and they forget, before they have your back, they will do all possible to find mistakes and fineprints that you did not follow, to ultimately pay the least amount of help as possible, so treat, RAV as this. Second of all, inconsistencies with RAV-Personal Berater (your RAV"coach"). First of all, if you are not good at ass kissing, learn to be. Do what they say, to the letter. Do not ask why, thank them, be honest, and do not yell or shout around or make a scene, if you do that, you lost. It is ok to cry of emotions but not to rant around emotionally. Every RAV Berater has some playroom, meaning, yes, they can and will do things different from another, which I personally believe is a disaster, for instance: In CH, most RAVs today say, you must write 10-12 job applications per month. This means the following, you will write 12 job applications per month (ideally more as you need a job!). If you write, 10 or 11, you are already a target. “Why did you not write 12?” they ask, then it all starts going downhill from there, I will not even get into it, just write 12, period! If they say in the future 10-18 applications per month, write 18, you get the point. To whoever was also in RAV and only wrote 10 and tells me I am full of crap, good for you, you had either the lazy or overworked coach, which most of them are not! Just write the two extra applications and no you are golden. Now, here comes the suck part. Some RAV coaches look into one CV and Motivation Letter, other coaches look at all of them, some coaches do not care if you write standard text on all letters and just change 1-2 lines and save yourself time, others do care! So I extremely highly recommend, for the first meeting, write golden CVs and especially motivational letters, because if you write the same lines on all and just changed the address, that is already an excuse to find reasons to DEDUCT from those 70 or 80%, it already starts there. What also annoys me, is that some RAV coaches do not tell you in advance, that you need to space those Applications, so, if you write 12 Applications in the first 1-2 days of the month and then go to relax, you can also get sanctioned for that!!! Ask your coach “how do you recommend I space the applications”, or, do not ask and just do at least 3 per each week of the month. Again, some coaches do not care at all, others do, this is where Switzerland is extremely weird, because in the normal Switzerland world, all is black and white, but with RAV, Social department and IV, it is a banana republic. What 90% of RAV does not tell you is your rights in terms of courses or the “INDIVIDUELLE KURSE” (memorize this) and also memorize “ERSCHWERTE VERMITTELBARKEIT”, so this means the following. Let’s say, you work as HR and have HR experience but never really studied HR and have no Diploma for it, perhaps you worked in a family office, who cares, you get the point, so you tell them this and in this way: “I would kindly ask you, based on my recent previous experience as an HR-Assistant (or whatever), about INDIVIDUELLE KURSE because currently I have HR experience but no real Diploma there, thus I fall under “ERSCHWERTE VERMITTELBARKEIT”, but if RAV could help me to do such a course, it is a course specific for something I already work with”. Your chances are now extremely high they paying sometimes amounts as 20K CHF and even more, so you can do a course, while getting PAID your 70-80%!! DO NOT START ANY COURSES BEFORE AND SEND THEM THE BILL!!! You have no idea my sister told me how many do this !!! RAV must sign you up for their course. In Kt. Zurich, this is the page you want regarding this: https://www.zh.ch/de/wirtschaft-arbeit/stellensuche-arbeitslosigkeit/qualifizierung-stellensuchende/individuelle-kurse.html RAV will NOT pay you for another course (Quereinsteiger, Uni-Degrees etc), only for something that falls within your work experience that improves your chances afterwards. So, if you have experience with HR but want to go the IT path now, RAV will not help you there. Important: If you have lost your job, with the 3 months notice, you must immediately start with those minimum applications “Vorbemühungen”, so if you were fired today, start tomorrow with the following. Go to the RAV website and no, you do not need to sign up yet, wait and let me finish, you go and find their Vorbemühungen document, like this one: https://www.zh.ch/de/wirtschaft-arbeit/stellensuche-arbeitslosigkeit/beratung-vermittlung/persoenliche-arbeitsbemuehungen-machen.html You can sign up already with them, but if you do, you will get amassed with additional info very early, even contacted to make appointments, where me personally, I rather just focus about finding a new job first while following the step I mentioned just above. They recommend you immediately sign-up but this they will NOT hold against you, and if they ask why you waited to the end you tell them “It was a very bad time for me, emotionally and physically I was devastated, I still had to work, while still searching for new employment, I simply was at that point not able to do anything else except try and hold myself together in this horrible time” because horrible times my friend, is when you are unemployed in Switzerland in today’s days… We have a huge unemployment rate, Switzerland “hides” the official numbers behind the “Ausgezahlten”, meaning, you are only officially Unemployed in Switzerland within those two years you have the right for RAV “help”, if you still got no job then, well, you are not unemployed anymore in an official capacity, so if you want to believe Switzerland only has 3% unemployed, well, keep thinking that :) Good luck to all of you submitted by /u/Super_Plantain7159
Originally posted by u/Super_Plantain7159 on r/Switzerland